Anyone claiming that congressman Ryan won the debate, or tied for that matter, really needs to lay off the crack pipe.
Steve Benen says it better than anyone, consistently…
Perhaps the clearest indication of who won and lost came quickly on the heels of the event itself: the Democratic post-debate message was that Joe Biden scored a clear win; the Republican message was that Joe Biden was too mean to Paul Ryan. The former is a boast of success; the latter is an excuse for failure.
In the larger context, it’s hard to overstate how much Democrats needed a shot in the arm like this. The surface-level goals of any vice presidential debate is for the candidates to demonstrate a capacity to step up in the event of a crisis, while defending their ticket’s agenda and knocking their rivals’ agenda. But for Biden, the overarching benefit was about the basic morale of his party with less than four weeks to go until Election Day: he wanted to give Democratic voters something to feel good about, and he did.
Even Politico gave it to Biden, and of course, they aren’t your friendly liberal publication either…
After all, Biden was the 69-year-old defender and Ryan was the 42-year-old challenger. But by the end of the evening, Joltin’ Joe had done real damage to his opponent.
In fact, as the 90 minutes flew by – – it was the rare debate where one actually wanted it to go longer – – Ryan began looking younger and younger. And not in a good way.
It was a great night for Democrats! No amount of spin by any of the right wing media, including CNN, can change what we all saw with our own eyes.
Cross posted at Angry Black Lady Chronicles
Watching the fallout from Paul Ryan’s “Path to Poverty” has been very fun for me. If the Republican Party didn’t foresee the reaction of people to trying to privatize Medicare and handing out vouchers to seniors, they really are in much worse shape than I imagined. And as people learn about the inspiration behind Paul Ryan’s plan, the anti-religion Ayn Rand, it has made Paul Ryan pick up his pace while running away from the fallout. This clip is priceless and to me is a metaphor. Run, Forest, run!
A little background on the problem with Paul Ryan embracing his inspiration, Ayn Rand, so tightly. From Steve Benen…(emphasis mine)
The right-wing House Budget Committee chairman is well known as a Rand acolyte — he demands his staffers read her novels — but what’s less well known is that Ayn Rand was actively hostile to Christianity. The problem was ideological, not theological — Jesus touted principles such as charity and compassion towards the less fortunate, concepts Rand and her followers strongly reject. Randians believe altruism is evil and those in poverty should wait for the hand of the free market to lift them up.
The concept of supply side economics has never fit well with the teachings of Jesus Christ, but somehow the right has glossed over that contradiction with their mindless followers. But Ayn Rand’s ideas are a little bit harder to gloss over and I have to give credit to many Christians who are speaking out. There aren’t enough doing it, but I give a lot of credit to those who are. Bravo!
I’m just loving the direction that the Republican Party has decided to pursue by hitching their wagon to Paul Ryan and his libertarian ideas. It almost makes me want to create a Jane Hamsher sock puppet to go on their websites and encourage them to “keep it up, you’re doing fine”. I would never do that, who has time, but it’s fun to think about.
I’ve said it before that I never expected that the Republican leadership would get behind Ryan’s plan, with it’s blatant assault on senior citizens who VOTE! But apparently their stupidity knows no bounds. The response at town hall meetings since the announcement of the plan shows that it is backfiring on them big time. They have a lot of explaining to do. From the Washington Post…
Democrats, eager to win back the seniors and independents who abandoned the party in last year’s midterm elections, have declared the vote a “moment of truth” and this week launched a media campaign accusing GOP House members of dismantling Medicare and endangering retirees.
The assault has taken some Republicans by surprise, prompting concerns that the party is ceding ground in a policy debate that GOP strategists already viewed as perilous.
I have a feeling that Paul Ryan is going to be a lonely guy pretty soon, he started a ball rolling down hill that is going to roll right over his party and bring Democratic rule back to the House of Representatives. More from The Washington post…
A Washington Post/ABC News poll published this week found that two-thirds of Americans want Medicare to remain as is. That includes 62 percent of independents and nearly eight in 10 people 65 and older — making for an uphill climb for House Republicans trying to reassure constituents.