Steve Benen says it better than anyone, consistently…
Perhaps the clearest indication of who won and lost came quickly on the heels of the event itself: the Democratic post-debate message was that Joe Biden scored a clear win; the Republican message was that Joe Biden was too mean to Paul Ryan. The former is a boast of success; the latter is an excuse for failure.
In the larger context, it’s hard to overstate how much Democrats needed a shot in the arm like this. The surface-level goals of any vice presidential debate is for the candidates to demonstrate a capacity to step up in the event of a crisis, while defending their ticket’s agenda and knocking their rivals’ agenda. But for Biden, the overarching benefit was about the basic morale of his party with less than four weeks to go until Election Day: he wanted to give Democratic voters something to feel good about, and he did.
Even Politico gave it to Biden, and of course, they aren’t your friendly liberal publication either…
After all, Biden was the 69-year-old defender and Ryan was the 42-year-old challenger. But by the end of the evening, Joltin’ Joe had done real damage to his opponent.
In fact, as the 90 minutes flew by – – it was the rare debate where one actually wanted it to go longer – – Ryan began looking younger and younger. And not in a good way.
It was a great night for Democrats! No amount of spin by any of the right wing media, including CNN, can change what we all saw with our own eyes.
Cross posted at Angry Black Lady Chronicles
I feel I must issue a warning about this clip, it can cause convulsions, vomiting and extreme rage. This gang of people that MSNBC has decided to give a platform to for their 3rd party challenge to President Obama and their attempt to return us to Republican rule, are absolutely disgusting. They are money-grubbing carnival barkers whose real goal seems to be to destroying the Democratic Party so they can make lots of money from the anger, once the Republicans take back over. At 2:15 in the clip, Cenk asks a question about Vice President Biden hinting that he may run in 2016, and Jane Hamsher responds first by calling him “the great compromiser”, see yesterday’s post and then Jane goes on to spew populist lies, sounding very much like a teabagger. Following Jane’s anti-democratic rant, David Sirota shows us how stupid and politically naive he is, simply astounding. I’ll get to that after the clip.
Here is my quick transcript of David Sirota’s completely naive and stupid comments regarding Joe Biden and his potential run in 2016. (Bad grammar is his, not mine)
I think it won’t be a situation like Al Gore in 2000 where he is sort of the presumptive nominee. I think there is a lot of up and coming democrats and I think that Joe Biden hasn’t really made it necessarily a name for himself outside of the Obama administration which I think will be probably pretty necessary for a democratic candidate in 2016.
When I heard that live, after having just vomited into my trash can from Jane’s comments, I laughed out loud. Joe Biden has been a leader in the Democratic Party for a long freakin time. Here is a little history lesson for David Sirota that shows how monumentally stupid that last comment was, thanks to Google and Wikipedia.
1 – When Joe Biden was elected into the Senate at age 30, he was the 6th youngest Senator ever to be elected. From Wikipedia, “In 1974, freshman Senator Biden was named one of the 200 Faces for the Future by Time magazine.” David Sirota was born a year later in 1975.
2 – Biden was a long-time member of the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary, which he chaired from 1987 until 1995 and on which he served as ranking minority member from 1981 until 1987. While chairman, Biden presided over the two most contentious U.S. Supreme Court confirmation hearings in history, those for Robert Bork in 1987 and Clarence Thomas in 1991. Ah, yea, David Sirota, no name recognition other than with Obama? I remember watching those hearings, David Sirota was 6 years old and 12 years at those times.
3 – He later spearheaded the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, also known as the Biden Crime Law, and the landmark Violence Against Women Act of 1994 (VAWA), which contains a broad array of measures to combat domestic violence and provides billions of dollars in federal funds to address gender-based crimes.
4 – Biden was also a long-time member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. In 1997, he became the ranking minority member and chaired the committee from June 2001 through 2003. When Democrats re-took control of the Senate following the 2006 elections, Biden again assumed the top spot on the committee in 2007. So yea, chairman of the Senate’s Foreign Relations committee and ranking member, nothing to see here, right Sirota?
5 – He’s also run for president twice, in 1988 and again in 2008. And he had made enough of a name for himself to be chosen as the Vice Presidential nominee who went on to help Barack Obama win the presidency with more votes than any team in history.
Are you really that fucking stupid, David Sirota? And why on earth would anyone bring you on their news show as a pundit, when you say such stupid things and obviously are making it up as you go along. The stupid just keeps marching on.