Hundreds Of Anti-war Activists Pledge To Help Elect Another Republican President – So They Can Keep Their Jobs!

Being a liberal is very frustrating most of the time. The main reason for my frustration is that our end of the political spectrum includes people who are so ideological and absolutist, that they lose sight of reality and wallow in their anger instead of participating and making a real difference. The reality of our 2 party system eludes these people, they tell themselves that if they attack both parties that somehow a perfect, utopian candidate will emerge and save us from those evil Democrats and Republicans. It hasn’t ever happened, even though these folks have been trying for over 30 years. You can’t have a rational conversation with them either, they simply won’t accept that it’s either the Democrats or the Republicans who call the shots, that’s it an either/or political environment, no matter how much the blogs make them feel like it isn’t. I think it would be awesome if we had a third, viable alternative to the two parties we currently have.

The Republicans have organized on their right flank and created the Tea Party, which has given us all a lot of laughs and targets to write posts about, but so far the left hasn’t been able to do anything more than lob potshots at the current administration, kick and scream on the floor, take their ball and go home and act like adolescents who think they represent the real left, in the face of polls showing President Obama holding solid support from 55% of the public. His support among liberals is very solid, the base supports him almost completely, with the exception of a few with the loudest voices who keep trying in vain to convince the rest of us that we really don’t like him, we are all in denial.

I have to give the Tea Partiers credit for actually organizing at the district level, running candidates and building their movement from the ground up. Sure, they have a lot of support from the Koch brothers and others, but they are doing it at the district level and building their movement from the ground up. Do you see anything like that happening with the anti-war activists? I wish they would do more than just bitch and send around petitions, a lot of good all those petitions are doing in our two party system. Mobilize, run candidates in primaries or get off your asses and start a third party, run candidates, raise money and make a difference. But sitting on the sideline and purposely hurting the most liberal of the two parties is just stupid, short sighted and selfish.

They could try to change the party from within, but of course it just pisses them off when you suggest that. I suppose they think by sending around an ultimatum petition, that they are doing just that. Sure, that’s what politicians like, an ultimatum…it works every time, doesn’t it?

The story that prompted this rant is at The Raw Story, entitled “Hundreds of liberal activists pledge to oppose Obama in 2012” and the name of the link exaggerates a little more  “prominent-liberals-pledge-oppose-obama-2012-supports-war.” Prominent? Really, I read the list of names and recognized like two of them, prominent? Regardless, here is a snippet from the story…

Hundreds of liberal organizers and anti-war activists have signed a petition pledging to oppose President Barack Obama’s renomination in 2012 unless he reverses course in Afghanistan and pushes for significant cuts to military spending.”We vow not to support President Barack Obama for renomination for another term in office, and to actively seek to impede his war policies unless and until he reverses them,” the pledge reads.

Someone explain to me how electing a Republican, the result of weakening the Democrat, is going to help their cause of stopping the wars. Do they think that a Republican president is going to be better. Have any of these people heard people like John Bolton calling for an attack on Iran? Have any of these people listened to the leaders in the Republican party who think we are in a holy war with Islam? Do they just not care? WTF, how can these people claim to care about innocent people when their actions will only serve to hurt more and more innocent people. I have to be cynical and suspect that they enjoy the fight, they probably even make money doing it. Why else would people who seem intelligent, completely ignore the consequences of their actions? To me it looks like they are willing to hurt people to further their cause. What makes these one-issue-voters any different than the abortion, one-issue-voters? Here is a piece from that article that spells out exactly what I said above, the whole head in the sand thing…

But Swanson (David Swanson) said he and the petitioners rejected the view that liberal activists should settle for flawed Democratic candidates and instead focus their resources on attacking Republicans.

“I think if you’re going to eliminate the use of party primaries to advance your interests, hold your nose for two full years, and then vote for someone who is against almost everything you stand for, but is just not as bad as somebody else, then you’ve really given up on democracy,” he said.

What makes this movement, well, it’s really one of those big mean petitions drives, just like any other fringe movement is the use of hyperbole and exaggerations to attract the fellow haters. The quote “vote for someone who is against almost everything you stand for” says to me that these people aren’t really Democrats or liberals to begin with. If the Democratic candidate “is against almost everything you stand for”, then I would surmise that you should probably pick a different party because if it that party really is against everything you stand for, well then, I’d say you are in the wrong party. I wish there was a socialist party that was strong and could compete with the Democrats and Republicans, I’d be there right along with them. But until that happens, we have to play with the rules we currently have. Unless you take your ball and go home.

I would argue that until we have a viable third party, you are giving up on democracy when you weaken the party that represents your interests better than the other. The Ralph Nader protest vote in 2000, how did that work out for those people? Did they get the liberal policies they believe in from Bush? Did they show them Democrats that they aren’t liberal enough? What exactly did they get besides 8 years of being able to bitch and live in their shallow little world where they can be martyrs. Personally, I worked my ass off for Al Gore so that we wouldn’t get the bullshit we ended up getting from 2000 – 2008. I can at least look back and say I did my part to try to prevent it, how about you Nader folks? I suspect a lot of the folks trying to bring down the Democratic party these days are the same ones who helped elect George W. Bush in 2000 and 2008. Thanks a lot, you selfish, idealistic asswipes.


23 thoughts on “Hundreds Of Anti-war Activists Pledge To Help Elect Another Republican President – So They Can Keep Their Jobs!

  1. Awesome post. I never understood it either. I suppose people will vote what their conscience tells you, but if doing so causes someone worse to end up in there – why the hell would you do that?

  2. “I wish there was a socialist party that was strong and could compete with the Democrats and Republicans, I’d be there right along with them. But until that happens, we have to play with the rules we currently have. Unless you take your ball and go home.”

    You make it sound as if this magical third party will simply spring up out of nowhere, and then everyone could flock to it. In reality, it will have to be built. And the only way to build it is to work toward it, rather than continue to support the ruling corporatist regime of the two-party state.

  3. Hi EL, I read that post yesterday and started to post here to have you read it and give us your take. I’m glad you did. I lost all my comment. I hit some button and away it went,into the tubes :) Anyway thanks for commenting that article. These people are nuts, just like the baggers.

  4. Well I guess we could have a discussion about how best to do it…a socialist party…and in that discussion, I would make the point that hurting people by electing Republicans isn’t a good course. I think I spent a good amount of time saying it would take a lot of work, organize at the district level, raise money, run candidates etc. And it would take a long time to get it off the ground.

    But tearing down the only party that is close to representing progressive ideas IS NOT THE WAY to do it, in fact, it hurts the people that we all want to help, well all of us who really are progressive and liberal. I question how progressive or liberal some of the folks who choose one issue, wars, and disregard everything else.

  5. Swanson said the activists haven’t coalesced around a preferred alternative for the 2012 Democratic nominee, but he described ousted Democrats Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) and Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) as potentials who “would be far and away better than President Obama.”

    All you need to know how effin’ idiotic Swanson is, yeah people who couldn’t win in the midterms would be better in Swanson’s calculation. More one-issue noodling-unless these folks run for something other than running their mouths incessantly, this is just one more big WATB from the poutrage crew, just yellin’ and signifying nothing.

  6. I doubt that Grayson will run. He actually seems to like Obama and these hundreds of people don’t have sufficient money to get any candidate that they like internationally on the ballot.

    Either way I have to agree with extreme liberal here and say that I’m far from happy where these bozos are trying to take this country. I don’t want a republican to get elected but if these idiots have their way we’ll have another Bush and that I will not tolerate.

  7. Watched Piers Morgan last night on CNN who had as guests, Martin Paretz of the neo-liberal The New Republic and Mort Zuckerman of US News and World Report. Both were disappointed with and most critical of Obama over his handling of Egypt. (Is it HIS fault, too?)

    The two Zionist media giants seemed most concerned about what could happen to Israel if the “wrong” people take over in Egypt. Zuckerman went on Fox recently and blasted Obama:

    With “liberals” like these two with their magazine “pulpits”, Obama doesn’t need any enemies.

  8. There is no way for Obama to win in this situation. Even if he was not totally incompetent and had any leadership capabilities he would not be able to please all sides. He is much better off pleasing the Muslims than the Jews because Jews are yellow dog democrats and he wouldn’t lose their vote no matter what. He demonstrated during and after the election that he was antisemitic and pro Muslim yet the Jews still voted for him overwhelmingly.

  9. Do you REALLY believe the shit you type, Ralph. Really? It makes no fucking sense. I highly recommend you take a dose of reality for a change. Your comments are like a word salad, just a bunch of words thrown in a bowl and tossed up.

  10. So Bush/Cheney and their hand-holding of the Saudi royalty weren’t trying to please the Arab street so they could get “such a deal” on Middle Eastern oil?

    78% of Jewish voters went for Obama but part of that may have been the anti-intellectualism of Sarah Palin who scared away many thinking Republicans. Jews majorly have always been social liberals but when it comes to Israel, blood seems to co-opt the thinking of many.

    The most hawkish neocons (including Lieberman) are Jewish and the Bush/Cheney administration was full of them. Hawkish neocons control the Knesset, too.

  11. Democratic Underground had this story up a few weeks ago and I never understood this thinking we going push for a progressive agenda by enabling the Republicans to win elections.

    After eight years of Bush I thought progressives would learn their lesson it’s clear by these people and those who post on DU that lesson didn’t sink in.

    And what pisses me off say President Obama fails for his re-election bid those same ass holes that help weaken him will be the first people screaming bloody murder about what that Republican President is doing on his or her first day of office.

    Shit I’m glad a lot of these people wasn’t around during the civil rights movement they would turned on Martin Luther King jr faster than the Road Runner getting passed those ACME traps.

  12. are these the same people that Ed interviewed during his radio show? I sometimes tune into the ramblings of the right and left on radio and remember listening to this group that he was interviewing that sounded like a real joke. They believe in all these progressive angles that wouldn’t work in this day and age especially with how far right this country has gone. They were big anti-Obama but they loved to bitch about the republicans typical fire baggers.

  13. So you want a viable third party but don’t want to put in any of the work to make it a reality.

    Here’s a hint: Making a third party viable means voting for one and working for one while not supporting the Democrats. Give up on this phony argument about Republicans being worse and realize that even though we’ve had just as many Democrats as Republican presidents in the 20th century that our country is still moving to the right!

    You can’t sit here and whine about wanting a “viable” third party to spring up out of nowhere. It’s really lazy and disingenuous.

  14. I hope he does lose reelection. He’s just as bad as the person who beats him. I can complain about both.

  15. If you really believe that Republicans and Democrats are the same, end of conversation. Your head is so far down into the sand that your feet are the only thing visible.

    “Making a third party viable means voting for one and working for one while not supporting the Democrats.” Great, where is it? When is that going to happen? And I would add that I won’t simply vote for any party that springs up because it isn’t the R’s or the D’s…chances are that any party that does ever spring up will more than likely be a moderate, middle of the road type, in which case I’ll stay with my Democratic party.

  16. Then make the party. Stop sitting in your recliner and asking, “where’s the party?” and start it yourself!

    We aren’t here to do your work for you. Again you come off as a lazy American who desperately wants to be on a winning team more than you want to be on the right team.

  17. You know me sooo well, Frank.

    I’m a democrat, in case you didn’t know that. I don’t feel a need to start a new party.

    I guess it’s hard for you to hold two independent thoughts about the subject, I would love to have a viable third party because I think people should have options. That isn’t saying that I would necessarily vote for that third party, but I think our democracy would be stronger if it wasn’t controlled by the two parties exclusively, options are good.

    That whole lazy American bullshit, you have no basis for making that dumb ass comment. This lazy American runs this blog, works for my candidates during election season, volunteers hundreds of hours every summer to my community, donates money to several charities, works a full time job supporting students, runs a production company that produces socially conscious documentaries that attempt to educate people…yeah, I’m pretty much a lazy American, kicking back in my recliner….

    Why do trolls type that kind of shit, anyway. Anyone reading it knows it’s bullshit, speculation, petty, made up shit that only a fucking junior high school student would type. Grow the fuck up, already.

  18. Agence France-Presse reports:

    “Human rights groups vowed Monday to pursue George W. Bush wherever he travels, claiming that the former US president had canceled a trip to Switzerland over fears that he could be probed for torture. ‘When Bush canceled his trip to avoid prosecution, the human rights groups who prepared the complaints made (them) public and announced that the Bush torture indictment would be waiting wherever he travels next.'”

    Bush had never traveled outside the USA before going to the White House (except to Mexico, most probably trips over the border to whore houses as a young man). He had to become president in order to fly free all over the world, but since retiring has mostly holed up at his Dallas home in a gated community. I believe he went to Haiti once for a photo-op right after the earthquake, alongside Bill Clinton who has been back there many times to offer his help. So not being able to travel outside the USA won’t really affect the unintellectual Bush much. He’s probably laughing that somebody WANTS him!

  19. As long as Bush’s filthy rich buddies keep inviting him into their sky boxes for Cowboy and Ranger games, Bush is as happy as a pig in shit! Don’t think he likes Eurotrash anyway with their “radical” intellectual talk.

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