Joe Scarborough – A Look Back At His Previous Statements About War!

As I was listening to Joe Scarborough go on and on about the Afghanistan war yesterday morning it made me think back. He likes to give raw meat to the left to chew on by repeating over and over that “Obama has tripled the number of troops in Afghanistan” and “President Obama owns this war now, it’s not Bush’s anymore”….I’m paraphrasing to some extent. It made me think back to things Joe has said in the past. I was curious so I went to the google thingy and did a search. I found these quotes from Mr. Scarborough back in 2003 when the Iraq War started. Below is Joe’s Mission Accomplished moment

“I doubt that the journalists at the New York Times and NPR or at ABC or at CNN are going to ever admit just how wrong their negative pronouncements were over the past four weeks.”
(MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, 4/9/03)

“I’m waiting to hear the words ‘I was wrong’ from some of the world’s most elite journalists, politicians and Hollywood types…. I just wonder, who’s going to be the first elitist to show the character to say: ‘Hey, America, guess what? I was wrong’? Maybe the White House will get an apology, first, from the New York Times’ Maureen Dowd. Now, Ms. Dowd mocked the morality of this war….

“Do you all remember Scott Ritter, you know, the former chief U.N. weapons inspector who played chief stooge for Saddam Hussein? Well, Mr. Ritter actually told a French radio network that — quote, ‘The United States is going to leave Baghdad with its tail between its legs, defeated.’ Sorry, Scott. I think you’ve been chasing the wrong tail, again.

“Maybe disgraced commentators and politicians alike, like Daschle, Jimmy Carter, Dennis Kucinich, and all those others, will step forward tonight and show the content of their character by simply admitting what we know already: that their wartime predictions were arrogant, they were misguided and they were dead wrong. Maybe, just maybe, these self-anointed critics will learn from their mistakes. But I doubt it. After all, we don’t call them ‘elitists’ for nothing.”
(MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, 4/10/03)

“Sean Penn is at it again. The Hollywood star takes out a full-page ad out in the New York Times bashing George Bush. Apparently he still hasn’t figured out we won the war.”
(MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, 5/30/03)

Isn’t that funny? We won the Iraq War in 2003 and I MISSED IT! So someone tell me why I should be listening to Joe Scarborough blather on, pretending like he’s a dove. So I looked a little further and found this from Mr. Scarborough in February of 2007…

Even if you agree with me that this war was worth fighting as long as we believed Saddam Hussein had WMD’s aimed at America, at some point you have to face the facts: the Bush administration was wrong about those weapons, wrong about the nuclear program, wrong about their refusal to quell rioting early, wrong about Bremer’s gutting of the Iraqi army and police force, wrong about refusing to kill or capture al Sadr in 2003, wrong to tell the generals not speak of the coming insurgency, wrong to stubbornly refuse to give generals the troops they needed to win this war, wrong to make the “Mission Accomplished” declaration, wrong for the VP to claim that the insurgency was in its death throes and wrong to push a surge plan that the president’s top generals opposed.

Joe Scarborough will say whatever the hell he wants as long as it suits his current situation. His photo should appear next to the definition of hypocrite in the dictionary. He seems to get away with it most of the time, though.

Macho Bumper Stickers

I saw a bumper sticker on the way into work today that is a perfect example of the macho idiots who populate our society. It said…

“Insured By Glock”

What does that actually mean anyway. If he gets in an accident, he’s going to shoot someone? Who, the other driver, the cop who shows up, the judge, or is it the body shop that is going to fix the car? It makes absolutely no sense and is really just meant to intimidate people, I guess. Tell them, I’m packing and I have small testicles.

“Gun Control Means Using Both Hands”

I guess until one of their family members gets killed by a psycho on a rampage, we’ll have to pry their guns from their cold dead hands.

photo of the day

Lite blogging lately, too much fun to be had and too much work to be done. I’m working on a post but life keeps interrupting…going out to ride around on my lawnmower. I shot this photo a couple of weeks ago on my way home from work. I shot a panoramic the same night but I have a lot of power lines to remove in Photoshop, even the new “content aware fill” can’t handle it.

Shot by Extreme Liberal

In Defense of Joe Barton – Believe It or Not!

Now obviously what Joe Barton said when he apologized to BP was idiotic, offensive and probably a bad idea politically (we’ll see about that). But for people to say he should resign from his committee post is just another attempt to rule by polls, popularity and giving the media way too much power in our political system. Isn’t that what elections are for? Joe Barton was doing something most Republicans have trouble with, he was being honest. I give him credit for telling us how he really feels and I wish more Republicans and Democrats would do the same thing.

As a Democrat I want him to stay right where he is and keep telling us how he really feels. Let’s make him the new leader of the Republican Party. Sarah, Glenn, Rush and Michelle Bachman need to move over and let Joe step into the spotlight. He’ll probably have more money than any other politician, he kind of has a lock on the oil money now, doesn’t he? So really, elections happen every two years and for a good reason, if you don’t like your representative, you vote them out. Running people out of town for making stupid statements isn’t the way it works in Washington, if it did, the place would be a ghost town.

Socialist Countries To The Rescue In the Gulf – The New Republican Line!

In the Republican Party’s attempt to be on the opposite side of everything President Obama does, they often do the exact opposite of what their party has always believed in. It’s pretty funny when you think about it, because I think a lot of it isn’t calculated at all, it’s just boneheaded mistakes. It is one of the reasons why I’m not very worried about the elections in November and then again in 2012. The latest is some on the right making up shit and saying that Obama has turned down help from foreign nations. First of all it isn’t true, there are 15 different nations flying flags in the Gulf. Besides that, some of these countries coming to the rescue are <whisper> socialist. Which of course doesn’t matter at all, but to the new leaders of the Republican Party like Liz Cheney, Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck, apparently they are too stupid to realize what they’ve done. Don’t anyone tell them.

Bob Cesca is the man and tipped us all off to this from Steve Benen who also is the man. First a piece from Awesome Bob…

Since when are the American Exceptionalists on the far-right in favor of asking foreign countries to swoop in and save America?

Oh I know. Since they decided that they believe in nothing other than the exact opposite of what the president does.

The link goes to Steve Benen’s piece which lays out the lies from Palin, Beck and Cheney about not accepting help from foreign nations and then Steve says…

And third, aside from the simple facts of the matter, I’m not even sure why the angry right is taking this talking point seriously. What’s the message here? That President Obama is opposed to international cooperation? Isn’t that Republicans’ job?

I get the sense conservatives are so desperate to attack the White House over the BP spill that it’s clouded their judgment, leading to nonsensical talking points like this one.

I get the feeling sometimes the Michelle Bachman is behind the curtain feeding these boneheads their talking points. You have to give them credit for diversity when it comes to employing simpletons.

Jack Welch and Joe Scarborough Defend BP!

The craziness coming out of the mouths of some people seems to have no limit. Jack Welch, former Chairman and CEO of GE was on Morning Joke this morning and when asked whether BP should be trusted he basically said yes the can, they are just inept. The really crazy thing that came out of his mouth, and I guess we should cut him some slack because he is getting pretty old, but he said the president should have gotten all the oil CEO’s in a room and locked them in it until they came up with a plan. He was very serious about not letting them leave, forcing them to stay in a room in the White House until they came up with a plan. That is a perfect example of the absolute craziness coming out of some people’s mouths. Let’s break this down, he thinks the president can force private individuals to come to a meeting and then lock them in a room, forcibly, and keep them locked up until they solve an unsolvable problem. Does that sound like we are living in America to you? Is that really what he wants the president to do? Or is it just the right wing hyperbole that appeals to the knuckle-draggers in the country. It President Obama were to have done that, just imagine what the idiots like Joe Scarborough would have screamed.

After Jack Welch made these crazy claims, Joe Scarborough, who loves to talk out of all 4 sides of his mouth, jumps on it and sees an opportunity to use it to his advantage. They had a good ole’ time speculating about this crazy idea and Mika attempted to throw some reality into the situation and of course was talked over and diminished. She also went after Rudy Giuliani for telling a whole bunch of lies last week when he was on several TV shows. This was of course brushed off as White House talking points, whether it was true or not didn’t seem to matter, they are talking points. Which brings me to this whole “golfing while president” talking point the Republicans are trotting out, including the Republican commentors on this site who keep claiming to not be Republicans but when the latest talking point comes off the press, they are right there spewing it.

I have to give Jack Welch credit for shooting down that talking point and saying that president’s need to have recreation and downtime, it makes them think more clearly and do their job better. It’s just one more example of how the right and the media seem obsessed with appearances and symbolism. Reality really has no place in most of their thinking, as was shown when Mika pointed out all the real things that the Obama administration did early on in the crisis and that was then dismissed because they didn’t “convey” that well enough. In their pea-sized brains apparently if you don’t convey it, it didn’t really happen. That’s the type of mentality of too many of the talking heads on TV, reality doesn’t really matter, it’s perceptions that matter. I’m sure there is plenty of room to criticize little details that were or weren’t done, but when people make the blanket, exaggerated claims like he didn’t consult with industry experts…..that’s complete horseshit, they assembled a team of people in Houston composed of experts from many oil companies, engineers, physicists etc.

I have to give Mika credit this morning, she did an excellent job pushing back against the bullshit spewing from Joe and his cronies mouths. Mark Halperin was also a voice of reason, although he never goes too far out on a limb for the president.