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I love this story and hope more of it happens. I want to see a resurgence of unions, we need them now more than ever.

Wisconsin’s workers haven’t only fought back with protests and recall efforts. Since Scott Walker began his attack on Wisconsin’s public employees, faculty at three University of Wisconsin campuses have voted to join the American Federation of Teachers (AFT).

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March 26, 2011 - Posted by | Politics | ,

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  1. If Unions are the answer why do only 13% feel the feel the need to unionize. Maybe the 87% . know something like personal responsibility, self determination. They may want to succeed on their merits not just for belonging to a Union and gaining seniority so they don’t have to perform.

    At a time unions were needed. Today they are run by thieves for the benefit of workers who feel they deserve their job and shouldn’t have to work for it. I do feel sorry for those Union teachers in Wisconsin. It is very difficult to support you family on $80K per year and be expected to work 190 days a year.

    Comment by atlanta ralpha | March 27, 2011 | Reply

  2. The AVERAGE teacher salary in Wisconsin is $46,390 a year with a starting salary of $25,222. So nice for our TROLL to lie about $80K a year! Why don’t you go to a REAL credible source, Ralph, instead of pulling your “facts” from your ass or most probably parroting what you hear on Faux News or Rush Limbaugh.

    http://teacherportal.com/salary/Wisconsin-teacher-salary

    The biggest reason union membership has fallen in the USA is that we have lost most of our blue-collar jobs to outsourcing abroad. Uunions were once dominant and needed in manufacturing and mining. We are mostly a white-collar nation now…banking, insurance where unions have never been much needed (union members can only dream of the BENEFITS going to Wall Street).

    Wisconsin teachers fare better overall than their NON-union counterparts in Texas where unions only have some power in the larger urban school districts. $41,744 is the Texas average salary, now. I was making $39K a year when I retired six years ago after 15 years on the job.

    http://teacherportal.com/salary/Texas-teacher-salary

    A study done by the Teacher Fair Pay Association found that the average teacher works a minimum of 8 hours and 37 minutes each day. 8:37 multiplied by an average school year (in some states) of 180 days is 1551 hours a year. (Texas has a 10 month, 187 day requirement). That is the minimum required for their daily tasks before their students. Teachers also have supplementary tasks that they must complete on an irregular basis. For instance I was a faculty sponsor for National Honor Society, junior class sponsor (car washes, etc. to put on a prom), spent many weekends at science/math contests, science fairs, etc. We were required to tutor BEFORE and AFTER school those students who needed extra help. These tasks such as pre and post school year activities, meetings, and continuing education seminars add up to an average minimum of 318 hours per year. This adds up to a grand MINIMUM total of 1869 hours per year! Check out these statistics:

    - A teacher works a minimum of 1,869 hours per year to perform his/her minimum required work.

    – However, the average number of hours per year worked by teachers is 2,108

    – The average number of hours worked by first-year and second-year teachers is
    2,534. It appears to be anecdotally-accepted that the stress of this workload often leads to illness, and that this workload at least partially accounts for the 30%+ of new teachers that leave the profession each year.

    Compared to other Americans:

    The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports the average American veteran worker, outside of education, works an average of 34.6 hours per week, for 46 weeks (most have PAID vacations/holidays accounting for an average of 6 weeks), for a total of 1591.6 hours per year.

    These findings put to rest the old fallacy that teachers don’t work all that much. Teaching AP physics, I had to join the The American Association of Physics Teachers (AAPT) and attend weekend meetings/seminars at college campuses all over Texas where I was exposed to some Nobel Laureates, so don’t begrudge the time spent nor some monies spent.

    Since Texas encourages a Master’s Degree (for which you get a whopping $500 stipend added to your salary each year), I spent many summers going to graduate school at Texas A&M, often paying my expenses but did write for and receive a Mellon Foundation grant for some expenses. After 21 graduate credit hours earned, and most of my summer vacations shot, I stopped going when I realized I would be retiring before I got my 36 hours needed for the $500 “reward”. The only reason I considered going ahead was that having an M.A. would look good in my obituary.

    Also, it is hard for a teacher to find a temporary job during the short summer break. I taught in a “year-around” school so only had 6 weeks off when I usually squeezed in one 3-hour graduate level course.

    Comment by Grant in Texas | March 28, 2011 | Reply

  3. Grant,

    You neglected to add benefits paid by the taxpayer. Mulvey makes $46,687 in base salary and $25,481 which include health insurance, life insurance and retirement pay.

    Hill makes $59,695 in base salary with an additional $28,398 in benefits.

    In the private sector, those benefits are paid, in part, by the employee. With government education those benefits are paid for by the taxpayer.

    I have see few if any teachers who work 11.5 hours per day which your example figures out to.

    I guess I missed out on the job where you work 34.6 hours per week. Maybe because I want to be more than average and owning a small business demands a 60 hour workweek.

    Jobs left the US because of three things. Outrages corporate taxes, uncaring workforce, Unions. If Obama wants to create jobs he should push the fair tax and companies will return to the US. The problem with the fair tax is politicians lose the ability to use taxes to their advantage, Obama has no interest in creating jobs. His only interest is in creating government.

    Comment by atlanta ralph | March 28, 2011 | Reply

    • I see where our TROLL Atlanta Ralph possibly got his “facts”…FOX News. However Politifact says that Fox overinflated teacher benefits in Wisconsin by only $14,000 and understated those benefits in the private sector by only $7,000. Nothing like FOX LIES!

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/23/eric-bolling/fox-business-news-eric-bolling-says-wisconsin-teac/

      Poor corporations like GE not only didn’t pay any taxes on its BILLIONS earned last year but gets several BILLION instead from all of us taxpayers in tax breaks. There is a reason why Halliburton moved their “headquarters” out of Houston, sending 50 “managers” to their new “home office” in Dubai leaving behind 5000 people in their former headquarters building in Houston to do the work…can skip out on paying taxes.

      And BTW, I put in 60 hours at least per week on my teaching job, arriving at school at 7-7:30 and most often grading papers, doing lesson plans, going to meetings until 7 each night. So cry me a river, Ralph, giving up 60 hours per week for your business. MOST Americans punch a time clock working for somebody else.

      I see that Texas TIES last place with Mississippi for having the most workers (over a half million) being paid only minimum wages. But in the South, people have long been brainwashed to hate Labor Unions. The federal poverty level for a family of three was $18,310 last year. That means a single parent with two children and working for minimum wage would earn about $3,200 less than the poverty level. Almost makes “going on welfare” a wise financial decision.

      http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/7495203.html

      Comment by Grant in Texas | March 29, 2011 | Reply

  4. http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/21/wisconsins-teachers-make-a-little-more-money-than-theyre-letting-on/

    I agree with you Grant. It is unfair that GE paid no taxes and many large corporations had to. Corporations should not pay taxes, it should be paid by the consumption/fair tax. This would increase investment in the US by companies, which would increase jobs in the US. Of course on the negative side, the fair tax takes away a lot of government power and they are all against it.

    Unions and taxes are what is driving manufacturing jobs offshore.

    Comment by atlanta ralph | March 30, 2011 | Reply

    • The Daily Caller, a new REICH-wing Internet “news” source founded by “journalists” and political pundits Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel, the latter a former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Caller

      I am sure our TROLL’s link is “fair and balanced”!!!

      Comment by Grant in Texas | March 30, 2011 | Reply

      • Also, the “The Daily Caller” accounts of EXACT wages and “benefits” were never given on The Ed Schultz Show (benefits not even discussed nor in the Milwaukee Sentinel link at all. I guess The Daily Caller feels their readers are too lazy to fact-check.

        Comment by Grant in Texas | March 30, 2011 | Reply

  5. http://www.teacher-world.com/teacher-salary/wisconsin.html

    It doesn’t matter what reference is used, it will never be leftists enough for you but here goes anyway.

    Comment by atlanta ralph | March 30, 2011 | Reply

    • Sorry, to burst your bubble, Ralph, but I am not a far leftist (not changed most views since I was a registered Republican in the 1960’s). I don’t just go to leftist sites, instead visiting web-sites across the political spectrum. However, in my observations, “leftie” sources don’t LIE like the REICH-wing sites seem so prone to do. I don’t dispute base teachers’ salaries from the REICH websites if they have credible citations (even Tucker Carlson’s), but don’t know where these sites are coming up with their tens of thousands in added benefits. Salaries of public workers are published and easily verified, but benefits can be all over the ballpark. I know I paid hundreds into my health/dental insurance out of each paycheck, along with a contribution to the Texas retirement fund. However, most of our school districts in this state are non-union, so benefits are mostly offered by districts as an incentive to join a faculty. Anyway, jobs in the private sector ALSO offer benefits of all kinds. So teachers shouldn’t be offered the same? It is bad enough that people with master’s degrees often are working for the same wages (sometimes even less) as high school graduates. I have told about a student of mine, age 22, with no job experience going to work at Dow Chemical right out of the U. of Texas as a chemical engineer for $63K a year. At the time I was earning only $39K after 15 years of teaching with close to 200 undergraduate and graduate school hours. I was not jealous hearing about his FIRST job, only happy that I was a person involved in his life who helped him reach that achievement….such are the unpaid benefits of teaching.

      Also, as a single person, I had to live on my one income. Married people, whether both teach or even work elsewhere, do have the benefit of combined salaries, so don’t understand the big “whoop-de-do” about married teachers in some articles. However, when children are considered, often working couples have to put out much money for added childcare so realize they have more money going out than I do without children.

      Comment by Grant in Texas | March 30, 2011 | Reply


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