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Sales of Blond Wigs Soar In Arizona!

How crazy it is that American citizens have to carry their papers with them at all times and are considered guilty until proven innocent – based on how they look? What’s wrong with that picture? The new law just signed in Arizona is basically a racial profiling law, nothing but. It’s as Booman calls itThe Latino Harassment Act of 2010“.  And it does all boil down to how they look. The whole “reasonable suspicion” bullshit, what the hell else could that be – besides how they look? Waving a Mexican flag around? More than 4 darker skinned people in any given vehicle? Maybe it’s anyone speaking Spanish in public, that’s pretty suspicious. The craziness of this law crystallized for me when I saw Bill Richardson, the governor of New Mexico saying how he could very well be hassled the next time he travels to Arizona.

It’s curious that some of the biggest supporters of this new law are on the right-wing. Now, I thought the right wingers were all about civil liberties, running around screaming about losing freedom and carrying misspelled signs. What is different between those people and the ones who are gathering today in cities across Arizona? It’s basically a pigment issue. The pasty white people carrying the misspelled signs aren’t too concerned about the folks gathering in Arizona who actually just lost some of their liberties. I don’t think we’re going to see the teabaggers jump on FreedomWorks buses, heading off to Arizona anytime soon. What do you think?

As I was listening to a piece on NPR’s “On Point” (I’m one of those latte’ sipping liberals, you know? Not a fan of arugula though!)…but as I was listening, it dawned on me that blond wig sales and skin bleaching could be lucrative businesses in Arizona – with this new law. American citizens having to wear disguises so they don’t get hassled, is it just me or is that really crazy? And all the Hispanics who are trying to get into the country are probably digging it too, I imagine along the border in Mexico, salons are springing up already. Could there ever be a more glaring example of a bad solution to a big problem. This is a classic case of overreaction and bigotry guiding policy.

Now even though I AM an extreme liberal, my thoughts on immigration are probably considered moderate or even conservative to some on the left. That law that just passed is wrong, it is a prescription for racial profiling and that is not a price we can pay to stop the flow across our borders.

I am not one of the “turn your head the other way” liberals who thinks we should just allow illegal crossings to happen. I’ve never been to Mexico, but I have been to Canada several times, being a “Michigander” and whenever I’ve crossed the border, I’ve appreciated that border, gone through customs and respected the fact that they want to control who comes into their country. Why should it be any different coming into America, we as a country should be able to control who comes into our country. And that is the point, controlling the borders. If we are going to have laws about immigration, we should do what needs to be done to enforce the laws. It isn’t right to turn your head the other way when a farmer hires a non citizen or a restaurant owner or whatever. Laws are laws, right? The whole idea that we enforce some laws but not others just doesn’t pass the smell test to me.

For those already in our country, there should be a process for them to apply for citizenship, but that doesn’t mean they all get in automatically. It really isn’t fair to those people who are going through the legal process to come here. I have a friend from China who has been trying to become a citizen legally, it’s a big hassle. Nobody likes it when they are standing in line and someone cuts in front of them. So in my opinion, the compromise and solution to the immigration problem really has to start at the borders. We have to seal them up somehow so that legal immigration becomes the way to migrate here. That may mean increasing the size of ICE or creating a new department that is designed from the ground up, with logical, streamlined procedures for approving applications. It would also make a lot of sense to create a model for how many people we allow in per year and structures for changing that based on economic trends. The anger by unemployed citizens who see non-citizens, working jobs that they would do, is understandable. It goes to that whole idea of “why have laws if you aren’t going to enforce them?”

I’m certainly glad we are having this debate now, with President Obama and a Democratic controlled congress. But it isn’t going to be pretty, if you think we’ve seen racism and bigotry in the last year and a half, just wait till the LouDobbsians mobilize.

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April 24, 2010 - Posted by | Immigration, Politics, Tea Party

26 Comments »

  1. I’ll never forget Michelle Obama on the 2008 campaign trail saying her husband, even though he’s running for the presidency, could very well be shot and killed while pumping gas into the car based on the color of his skin and nothing else. So true and scary!

    What if we started profiling deadbeat dads? What will the pasty white fathers do then? Would they say it’s fair and is the best way to get deadbeat dads to pay their fair share to their children? I’d bet they’d freak out!

    How about we profile pasty white right wing governors? Huh? Man, the list could go on and on! :lol:

    Comment by KayInMaine | April 25, 2010 | Reply

  2. Legalizing the immigrants (legal or not) will make them accountable. Their companies will have to start paying them ON the table and they’ll be paying taxes themselves through their paychecks each week (they may not qualify for Medicaid if their income is “too high”!). Even if they lie about who they are by giving a false name, it won’t matter, because they’ll have a name, SSN, and a photo of who they are which will help our police in the future if needed. I see it as a win/win situation in legalizing the immigrants.

    Comment by KayInMaine | April 25, 2010 | Reply

  3. Yes folks, Arizona has just taken an 80 year leap into the past, and in doing so has become the Nazi Germany of our day. Or Joe Stalin’s Russia. Or Mussolini’s Italy. I’m just having a little trouble connecting this atrocious act with the teabagger narrative, seems they’re only concerned about government intrusion on select, teabag-approved issues.

    It may be an over-simplification on my part, but it seems to me that the immigration challenge we face today, comes as a direct result of decades of exploitation of a specific demographic. Business has gotten rich using the sweat of people whose only goal was to improve the lives of their families. Those desperate enough to attempt the dangerous and oft deadly journey have been the silent victims of unfair labor practices and corporate greed. And who would they complain to? How much weight does the boss man’s threat of calling ICE carry among people wishing to be treated fairly?

    So, the state of Arizona has crossed the Rubicon of clarity and justice, and in doing so has slipped into the dark nether region of Orwellian nightmare. There remains no workable solution to exploitation by business, the people of the state are now slaves to their “papers” and the jackbooted thugs who wish to examine them, and the victims are, once again, punished.

    I love the smell of Fascism in the morning.

    Comment by William | April 25, 2010 | Reply

  4. Boy, oh boy is this going to be a tough one for the Obama administration to handle. Unfortunately, I’m out here in Arizona but seriously thinking of leaving this state.

    To be fair, Arizona (just like Texas and California) have a real problem with the illegals, but the problem is at least twofold. There are too many people coming across the borders, but something has to be done to all of the “employers” that are hiring these people. They are big contributors to the problem, and from several articles that I’ve read, it is/was the business community that has fought the hardest against any solutions from the federal government. They want the cheap labor, just not the responsibility that extends to having a workforce like providing a fair salary and some benefits. On the other hand, why should these people be allowed to break the law with the primary reason being they only want to work and take care of their families and there is no work in their country? I know people right now doing shit to take care of their family that is illegal and nobody is going to give them a pass if they are caught. Nobody will feel sympathetic to the starving children of these people. Wrong is wrong, even if you have a great reason for committing that wrong.

    Now, all of that being said, this is a horrible law and nowhere near a solution — in fact, I think it will create a lot more problems here. I said to my family upon moving out here that this place was frozen in time. The attitudes and perspectives here are really dated, so it doesn’t surprise me that there is incredible support for this law in the state.

    Lastly, I’m totally with you, Jim. I can’t see turning the other way as the solution either. If you think our budget is blown up right now, if we bring all of these people in as citizens what happens then? The majority will not be in the workforce and contributing tax dollars — we, as a country would have to provide for them as citizens. We’re having problems doing right by the people we have right now. To me, the illegals feel like cheaters and I find it difficult to be empathetic to their cause. What Arizona is doing isn’t right, but they aren’t right either.

    Comment by staci | April 25, 2010 | Reply

    • It looks like everything that happens on the national political scene is going to be ugly. Immigration reform, financial reform, climate change….it sure is good to be on the correct side of the argument. :)
      Thanks for your insight, Staci.

      Comment by ExtremeLiberal | April 26, 2010 | Reply

  5. One last thing: I find it amazing that the governor, although the bill would have been law without her signature on Saturday, she made a conscious decision to sign it on Friday. I think that says tons about her politics.

    Comment by staci | April 27, 2010 | Reply

  6. Immigrants who work in the US are already required by Federal Law to carry their papers with them at all time. This bill makes it State Law.
    This is far from a racial profiling law. Is it racial profiling to pull over a drunk driver on “suspicion”? Is it racial profiling to question a sex offender on “suspicion”? The problem in Arizona is the huge influx of both illegal and legal immigration, and the Feds aren’t stepping in to enforce the laws, which is leaving Arizona officials with a huge problem. So this is their way to fix it, and I say good for them.

    Have you ever been out of the country before? When traveling through other countries you as an individual are required to have your papers on you, which is exactly what this bill says. Oh lordy look at that racial profiling.

    Comment by thoth | April 27, 2010 | Reply

    • What is the reasonable suspicion of being an illegal immigrant. Accent, color of skin. What possible “reasonable” suspicion is there other than race?

      Comment by hahaney | June 26, 2010 | Reply

  7. Thoth, look up the word “race” and google “racial profiling” and then get back to us. From your comment, you apparently don’t know what those words mean. Serious, if you can equate drunk driving to racial profiling, something is missing in your bag of tricks.

    Comment by ExtremeLiberal | April 27, 2010 | Reply

  8. Nothing is missing Jim. This isn’t about race. Would this be about race if it were white French Canadians? No it wouldn’t. You’re running to racial profiling because that’s the only thing that you have to stand on….which is very little.
    Also, what about the simple fact that if you were visiting another country you would have to supply your papers at the drop of a hat if you were asked? Arizona isn’t doing anything that the Feds don’t already require from immigrants working on a work visa…..or from foreign tourists.

    I’m equating other things that the police have the authority to do on “suspicion”. I hope you don’t have a problem with police doing their job.

    Comment by thoth | April 27, 2010 | Reply

  9. What do you mean it isn’t about race? I hesitate to even engage you on this because you clearly aren’t able to comprehend either the law or the effect it will have on US citizens. Legal US citizens, born and raised here, many generations as American as any American…..they will have to show papers IF THEY LOOK LIKE THEY MIGHT BE HISPANIC!!!!! LOOK LIKE THEY ARE HISPANIC.

    Now I guess I have to chalk your inability to understand how brown skinned people might get pulled over more, asked to present papers (whether they are American citizens or whatever) more, be inconvenienced more etc. Do you think the blond haired woman with blue eyes is going to get asked to present her papers? Do you?

    You seem to be missing the fact that it is American citizens I am concerned about. Not illegal aliens. If you read my post you would know that I’m all for enforcing laws, sealing up our border, stopping business people from hiring illegal aliens, enforcing the laws. This law is going to hurt our fellow Americans, are you OK with that. If we had an influx of Irish people coming into America, would you be OK with pulling over Irish looking people and making them present papers.

    What really makes me know you don’t understand it is by saying if I were traveling in Europe, I would have to carry papers with me…..well ya, dah! But do European citizens have to carry papers with them at all times? Do Europeans have laws that racial profile, NO! So stop and think a minute, this is about American citizens getting hassled, not illegal aliens, American citizens. Got my point now?

    Comment by ExtremeLiberal | April 27, 2010 | Reply

  10. Stop jumping off the deep end. They aren’t going to be pulling people over left and right. More than likely they will pick up their raids.

    And yes, I did read your post. The first half of your post is complete nonsense, but in the end, you make complete sense. I completely agree with the last half of your post. The problem is the US Government isn’t enforcing Federal law in Arizona. If you have paid attention to what I was saying, you would have noticed that I stated that Arizona is simply passing a law that the Federal Government already requires.
    It’s odd that you seem to be perfectly content with the Feds enforcing these laws but you get up in arms when it comes to a state enforcing the very same laws. So why don’t you stop and think about it for a minute.

    Comment by thoth | April 27, 2010 | Reply

  11. So what federal law says you can stop someone and ask them for their papers for “reasonable suspicion”. Which federal law is that?

    You, of course, didn’t address any of my questions that prove your words are bullshit. Are you incapable of considering things that don’t fit with your world view.

    Do you think the blond haired woman with blue eyes is going to get asked to present her papers? Do you?

    But do European citizens have to carry papers with them at all times? Do Europeans have laws that racial profile, NO!

    Comment by ExtremeLiberal | April 28, 2010 | Reply

  12. Federal immigration law says that. Why do you think they hand out green cards and work visas? For the fun of it? And when asked the person carrying it needs to present it. Just like how you need to show your passport when you’re in another country…..do you find that racist?

    Jim, if they are traveling or working in the US, then yes, they do have to have their documents. This isn’t about race because it applies to all immigrants working in Arizona…..and the US for that matter.

    Tell me, since you haven’t answered any of my questions. What skin color is illegal immigration?

    Comment by thoth | April 28, 2010 | Reply

    • Federal Immigration laws don’t say anything about stopping people for “reasonable suspicion”.

      When I’m in another country I have to show my passport at the border, not when I’m walking around the streets as a tourist or sightseer or doing business, whatever. They don’t do racial profiling in Europe. You clearly have some sort of mental block, thoth or a vivid imagination.

      There is no disagreement that illegal immigrants are illegal and shouldn’t be here. No problem there! It is the American citizens who are going to be hassled which goes counter to the Constitution, which I’m sure you wrap yourself in but apparently don’t even know what it says.

      I’m done trying to get through to you, thoth, I might just as well be talking to a wall. You apparently are so blinded by your racism or hatred for hispanics or something that you can’t seem to comprehend that that law is bad for American citizens. American citizens, not illegal immigrants. American citizens. They’ll be coming for you next, thoth.

      Comment by ExtremeLiberal | April 28, 2010 | Reply

  13. One other thing…is it racist for a cop to ask for your insurance when you are pulled over for a traffic offense? After all, that is another form of documentation that you are required by law to have on you, and you are required by law to present it when asked.

    Comment by thoth | April 28, 2010 | Reply

    • No shit, Sherlock. You are required to have a drivers license and insurance if you are driving a car, very true. But they can’t just pull you over because, oh……you look a little suspicious.

      For your education. From the Constitution of the US
      Amendment 4 – Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

      The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

      Amendment 14 – Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History

      1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

      Comment by ExtremeLiberal | April 28, 2010 | Reply

  14. Jim, two of my closest friends are Puerto Rican so don’t even try to give me your un-sturdy racial card argument. So you know, I have spoken with both of them about this and they completely agree with what Arizona is doing.

    I have nothing to hide Jim so why should I worry.

    Comment by thoth | April 28, 2010 | Reply

  15. I wonder how you would feel if our government treated immigrants the same way Mexico does;

    The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset “the equilibrium of the national demographics.” How’s that for racial and ethnic profiling?

    If outsiders do not enhance the country’s “economic or national interests” or are “not found to be physically or mentally healthy,” they are not welcome. Neither are those who show “contempt against national sovereignty or security.” They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own health care. What would be said of the US if we enforced this?

    Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country (for example, President Obama’s illegal alien aunt, a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim).

    Law enforcement officials at all levels, by national mandate. Must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities. How is that for racist Jim, and how do they know if someone is illegal??

    Ready to show your papers? Mexico’s National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

    And if you want to see something really bad, how about you try to sneak across the southern border of Mexico. Even the Red Cross has protested against the high volume of police corruption on Mexico’s southern border. The Mexican guards down there have been known to shoot at, kill, and even torture individuals trying to cross that border illegally.

    Comment by thoth | April 28, 2010 | Reply

  16. American citizens having their rights trampled on, that’s what I’m talking about. I don’t give a shit what the Mexican government does. I don’t want my fellow Americans being treated like they were in Nazi Germany in the 1930’s and 40’s. End of story.

    Comment by ExtremeLiberal | April 28, 2010 | Reply

  17. Pull your head out of your ass. American citizens’ rights aren’t going to be trampled on. Jim, do some research, and you will see that these laws are already in the books on the Federal level. Are our rights being trampled on now? No, they are not.

    Comment by thoth | April 28, 2010 | Reply

  18. Well after just reading the constitution, I’m no longer worried about that law. It will go away very soon, it is unconstitutional in several ways. You just keep believing whatever is going through your head, but mark my words, the Arizona law will be gone very soon.

    Comment by ExtremeLiberal | April 28, 2010 | Reply

  19. INA: ACT 264 – FORMS AND PROCEDURE

    Sec. 264. [8 U.S.C. 1304]

    (a) The Attorney General and the Secretary of State jointly are authorized and directed to prepare forms for the registration of aliens under section 261 of this title, and the Attorney General is authorized and directed to prepare forms for the registration and fingerprinting of aliens under section 262 of this title. Such forms shall contain inquiries with respect to (1) the date and place of entry of the alien into the United States; (2) activities in which he has been and intends to be engaged; (3) the length of time he expects to remain in the United States; (4) the police and criminal record, if any, of such alien; and (5) such additional matters as may be prescribed.

    (b) All registration and fingerprint records made under the provisions of this title shall be confidential, and shall be made available only (1) pursuant to section 287(f)(2), and (2) to such persons or agencies as may be designated by the Attorney General.

    (c) Every person required to apply for the registration of himself or another under this title shall submit under oath the information required for such registration. Any person authorized under regulations issued by the Attorney General to register aliens under this title shall be authorized to administer oaths for such purpose.

    (d) Every alien in the United States who has been registered and fingerprinted under the provisions of the Alien Registration Act, 1940, or under the provisions of this Act shall be issued a certificate of alien registration or an alien registration receipt card in such form and manner and at such time as shall be prescribed under regulations issued by the Attorney General.

    (e) Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d). Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.

    Comment by thoth | April 28, 2010 | Reply

  20. The one issue that I think thoth is missing is that if you are in another country and are asked to present your papers and prove your right to be in a place, it is because your BEHAVIOR generated some suspicion. No other country is pulling people over based on ethnicity alone. The Arizona law allows law enforcement to use “reasonable suspicion” and when questioned, these politicians proceeded to use phrases like “a person’s hair” or “their clothes” or “their shoes” to define the identifiers for reasonable suspicion. That’s profiling in a bucket, thoth. There are some sheriffs here that are refusing to use this law because even they think it’s unconstitutional and will open them to lawsuits the moment an American citizen is pulled over and arrested because they don’t have their identification on their person.

    I’ve gotta say too, thoth, I’m out here in this madness and Arizona was frozen in time as least 20 years ago. There is a fair amount of not-too-constitutional stuff going on just with Arpaio, the Maricopa County sheriff. He’s under a federal investigation right now for civil rights violations. This is a bad law and will give some officers more power than they really should have. As Arpaio said in an interview a couple days ago (and I’ll paraphrase) — ‘We’ve been doing this already. Now we just have a law.’

    There are real problems here in Arizona with illegal people, as well as Texas and California, and the costs to the states are enormous just in trying to fight this battle daily. There are stories on the news EVERY DAY out here of truckloads of illegals being caught on the freeways coming in. Just last week, the government raided a large grocer and arrested almost 100 people. It’s an ongoing fight, but the opportunity with this law to trample on the rights of American citizens is too high a price to pay. I’m sure that if you were Hispanic and living out here, and considering the culture that already exists, you would have a totally different perspective. If it were possible that you could be wrongfully pulled over and made to present identification simply because an officer didn’t like the way you looked, you would understand just how crappy this law is. Drunk drivers get pulled over because their driving (behavior) identifies a problem. There are millions of drunk people driving around every day that are not stopped simply because nothing they are doing stands out. If a law like this were applied like you’re implying with the drinking analogy, everybody that was caught walking out of a bar would be subject to being stopped and forced to take a breathalyzer simply on the suspicion that they may be drunk. Would that be fair?

    Comment by staci | April 29, 2010 | Reply

  21. Do you people understand the simple fact that this is the same law that the federal government uses? Every one of you seem to be missing that. If the federal government was doing their job maybe Arizona (and the other southwestern states) wouldn’t be in the condition they are in now.

    Comment by thoth | April 29, 2010 | Reply

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